Now that I got your attention, let’s talk. Shout to my homey “Mic Jones” “J.R. Bang” and “Savant” They all inspired this with our recent debates, discussions and forums on FB. A great number of hip-hop heads consider Andre 3000 of Outkast to be hands down the best lyricist and the greatest rapper ever. I don’t agree. I believe resume, pedigree and the actual task at hand [which is rapping] is why he can’t be considered the greatest. He can be one of the dopest because he honestly is but THE GREATEST!?!?! Nah Son….NAH!
I’m going to use an analogy that I have not used before but I think it’s time and please feel free to correct me if I’m dead wrong. Let’s compare Rap to The NBA. With that said, I feel Andre 3000 is the Robert Horry of Hip-Hop.
Robert Horry has proven to be a great Team player [Rockets, Lakers, Spurs]
Robert Horry knew his role and purpose [Forward. Doesn’t need to score 30 to be effective]
Robert Horry is a Fearless WINNER on great teams [7 NBA Championships]
Statistically Horry has more clutch game winning shots than todays greatest player LeBron James.
I’m not going to deny the FACT that Outkast is one of the greatest groups of all time. Lyrically and statistically that would be flat out foolish. However, that’s a team accomplishment. The other fact that I can throw out is 100% of the time, when it’s time to RAP…ONLY BIG BOI is showing up consistently. It’s not that Stacks can’t rap, he just doesn’t want to.
Robert Horry has hit the same shot to win the same title on different teams….Stacks International Players Anthem verse sounds a lot like his Deuces Remix Verse. Deal With It. People swear by the Outkast catalog, especially the first 4 albums. Lot of game winning rap shots on those albums.
3 Stacks is as NICE as he wants to be….but he’s not rapping. You do know his first hit solo single was “Hey Ya” right? Then he followed that up with Prototype. Then he followed that up with Roses. All 3 of those songs were on his solo effort titled “The Love Below”. Has Andre 3000 put out 48 Bars in a rap song format and has it charted? Please answer.
Once again. I’m not trying to discredit or disrespect Stacks. I just feel rappers have to rap to be considered great rappers. Any rapper has a chance to be considered great if the criteria is dropping 2 verses in a year. Shoot give me 2 verses a year and I could make a few Top 5 conversations in the Midwest AT LEAST!
To Quote @JRBang “I’m just holding 3K to the same standard The Lox, Mobb Deep, 8Ball and MJG and others where held up to.”
All the above had done numerous times what Andre Benjamin has not done…Dropped 1 or more solo rap albums to solidify how well they can stand on their own. Some projects we loved, some we can forget but the effort was appreciated. When Jadakiss, Method Man and Prodigy were in groups the consensus was “Man! When you dropping the solo joint?” When they did we loved or hated but always appreciated the effort. Andre 3000 has not done that yet and by his moves…he NEVER plans to.
My mans @MikeJonesShow posted a pic and asked Bar for Bar Who’s a better Lyricist
Andre 3000 or Jay-Z . I said Jay-Z because in the aspect of BARS he lapped Stacks with just his body of work till 2004.
My boy Savant did not like that response lol! He took the quality over quantity approach and to paraphrase said
“Over time Jay has fell off but Stacks hasn’t and the quality of stacks bars, Bar for Bar, is just flat out better than Jay’s”
Giving his thoughts some thought…all I could say was the following.
I will never say Jay’s body of work is flawless or impeccable…ever. I don’t believe that…I will say this though…Jay has performed great at an extreme high level dolo for a lot longer than people want to give him credit for…Jay’s not my favorite rapper at all. Possibly not even in my personal Top 5 of favorites…BUT…I’m not going to deny the body of work…For a quick Boxing Analogy…We don’t speak ill of Ali even though most of his L’s came in the Late 70’s…just want to throw that out there
Show me 11 3 Stack verses that are better than the 11 Jay-Z solo albums and then we can talk about who’s better. Until then…to me…No Dice. Once again, the rappers have to rap to be considered great rappers.
You’re never going to say Robert Horry is the greatest Forward to play the game. Why? Because he never was option one on any of his Championship teams that’s why. There is no front man in Outkast. They are literally the most even duo in hip-hop history. They both have the ability to do the same thing rap wise. The division came on Speakerboxxx/The Love Below which was the album that topped the rap and pop charts for different singles and reasons. That’s fact ladies and gentlemen.
No one will ever deny Andre’s talent. From his acting, production, playing instruments, singing, art and poetry it’s obvious that he can do ANYTHING and be very good to great at it. However, none of the above is a pre-requisite for Rapping. AGAIN! You need to be rapping to be considered a great rapper. Now if you want to call him “Hip-Hop’s Greatest Renaissance Man” You will get absolutely no argument from me….Greatest Rapper Though??? C’mon Now…And for all you heads, purist and elitist Andre don’t freestlye either. Ask Big Tigger cause he refused to on Rap City: The Basement…signed that wall while giving his explanation of why he wouldn’t though…
You a bad MF if you can come from another planet, give a chick sight and get her pregnant with in 24 hours….